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Offline Chrys

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What's wrong with my art?!
« on: August 19, 2011, 08:12:48 pm »
Okay, so I've been drawing since I could hold a pencil, seriously since 2008/2009. I've been in the fandom for 2 and a half years or so. Why does no-one pay attention to my art?
I'm sick of people saying, "oh it looks great" whenever I ask for critiques, if it's so great how come I have so few watchers? how come no-one ever commissions me? How come no-one even asks me for trades?
Everyone is always telling me that "my fans will find me" well y'know what? I doubting that they're out there.
I don't want to sound self-important but I'm pretty sure I'm a better artist than plenty of people who get 5 times the amount of attention I get. I don't understand and it's driving me crazy!
So I ask you, the public of FT, to shred my artwork. Critique like you have never critiqued before. Anything in my FA gallery is open slather, (though post it here please as some of them are of other's characters and I consider public critique of such to be a little impolite) if someone has already critiqued a piece well, don't just repeat them, pick another one. You can critique anatomy, style, composition etc. not character design as I think it is a little irrelevant to improving one's skills in illustration. I want to get better and the only way to do that sometimes is to be brought down a notch, so give me a paw if you can and tell me, what's wrong with my art?!

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Re: What's wrong with my art?!
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2011, 08:49:43 pm »
I'm prolly the last person to judge someone elses work, but here I gooo

  • Bodies feel flat. Heads, feet, and even hands look out of place on a flat body(2d vs 3d)
  • Shading is near non-existent(it's there sometimes, but even then it's hardly there, and it really, really makes a difference.
  • On your picture of Laurie, it looked like a guy with breasts and girlish hair. Drawing female bodies is hard, though, and takes practice(And she was the first one I saw in your gallery)
  • In terms of improving, draw what you aren't comfortable doing. For instance you draw mostly Hyenas, so maybe draw some cats or dogs. Maybe a Horse or even dragon.

Just my thoughts, and it's basically what I tell my sister.(Who, like you, is far and away better than me)

Other than that, spread it around. If you go to other forums, maybe put a link in your sig. Tell people you know about it, and maybe they'll tell people they know.

Edit: Brought my sister in to look at it, and she only repeated what I said. =\
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Re: What's wrong with my art?!
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2011, 10:40:11 pm »
I feel like this a lot. I see people who draw essentially the same cartoony dog over and over and have all this attention and it's like afgudafhgdfuwhyyy when I see people with much more talent go unnoticed? :C saddest day.
I'm really sorry I don't comment a lot, I just feel... intrusive, you know? I feel like I just shouldn't interact with artists that I don't know really well because I feel really dumb or something iddkk
BUT ANYWAY.

-everything seems very flat. We have lots of 'flat' rounded or sharp shapes, basic shapes that we could add more detail to!
Take this one, for example; http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5519326/
See the pants? Big flat shapes. It makes the legs look too big, too bulky. if we thinned them out, added some creases and curves, then it would be more exciting! more pant-like! more like exciting pants!

-The same goes with most clothing you do- have a look at real clothes, I know there are /a million/ clothing and movement tutorials not even kidding. have a look on DA.

-Everything seems nice and simple. Simple is nice, if you want to be simple. But 'simple' things aren't exciting! AND WE WANT TO BE EXCITING WHEN WE DRAW  WOOOOOO details! don't be afraid of making things toooo intricate. put pockets, flowers, patterns, little details that draw the eye in. Eyes love looking at things. it's a fact. Give them lots of things to look at! it doesn't have to be super-realistic fur or eyes or anatomy. adding some patterned backgrounds or flowers or anything you like looking at into the picture can develop it more. Sometimes I like to add faint textures to things- it gives a simple headshot more of a 'feel' to it.

-Proportions. Your characters seem to have small heads and big legs/feet. Just general anatomy practise fixes this though. I always seem to draw hands/eyes/thighs too large at first. Just remember to shrink things down, and you can actually grab things and shrink them digitally it's amazing omg. With traditional it's a bit more difficult since you have to redraw it altogether but I think you know that tee hee shut up sparrow

-Expressions! OTL something I struggle with so much fml. With your headshots and just general pictures, they're just... smiling. Generic faces. Which is fine of course, but if you want to improve we have to have VARIETY! The spice of life or something like that. Spice it up! Winking faces, shy faces, super excited faces! You can do these just by tweaking little things on the face. You draw eyebrows- which is great! by adjusting the shape of the eyebrow you can make nearly any expression. then just a little smile, a little frown, a little tounge poke, you can convey a whole different emotion.

-Anatomy. Something people never /completely/ grasp but practise makes nearly-perfect! I guess just drawing lots and using references achieves this lmao. I like to go out and take photos of what I like to draw. Go to the Zoo and find some creatures! Go to the shop and take sneaky pictures of people walking, running, eating, sitting, etc. This way you don't get dumb copyright laws for tracing/referencing without credit, because you did it all yourself!

aaaaaaah I could write more but really I am actually going too far again oh god sparrow go away

Can I please say though, I really love it when you use watercolours. Not a lot of people can use them.
Like me.
oh god I cannot even watercolour ever.
so props for knowing how to, and doing it well! C:

so uhh. I hope that helps a little? or kept you amused at least lmao. Good luck!
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Re: What's wrong with my art?!
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 02:44:40 am »
Let me be the first to say that your mentality needs a critique as well.  Art is not done for "fans", or "watchers", art must come from a deep mindful place, when you're making good art you feel it in your bones.  You must make art for yourself first and acknowledge its fundamental right to exist devoid of others approval in its birth. 

As for approving individual technique, produce a lot, and work in different ways often.

-Work from observation and the mind alike, eventually fuse them to create conceptual work. 

-Isolate and concentrate, think about where your coming from with your marks as much as where you're going with them, if you focus too much on only one of those things, you'll either rush or move too slowly.

-Great art can be made in minutes or in years, recognize that there is no set limit of time to make something, when your mind is clear you'll know when its done.

-If you don't like the way something looks, change it. 

-If your frustrated, work more, work harder.

-recognize that when critique is asked for and then given, at its heart it is not impolite, but a service to you.  If it stings then it can be as much of your own doing as the one delivering the commentary.

You have a long way to go before things are up to scratch, but if you're willing to work for it, people may be willing to pay attention. It literally takes blood, sweat, and tears, open dialogues and closed studies, years of dedication, just to build a base.  Good art is good because it is cared for and labored over, great art is great because it has been loved and drawn through titanic effort and passion.  There is very little good art on FA, even less great art; work for your passion not for a fandom.

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Re: What's wrong with my art?!
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2011, 06:24:24 am »
Let me be the first to say that your mentality needs a critique as well.  Art is not done for "fans", or "watchers", art must come from a deep mindful place, when you're making good art you feel it in your bones.  You must make art for yourself first and acknowledge its fundamental right to exist devoid of others approval in its birth. 

I have two different kinds of "art" I have my art that I do for art's sake, for personal reasons, as an exploration of the psyche and I have my fuzzy-wuzzy illustrations. This particular thread is for the illustration-y stuff, which I do do for popularity/watchers as I hope to be able to make money off of it in future. My actual art is rather obtuse for the audience often found through the fandom so I don't tend to post it. Despite my illustrative art being done for an audience I am still very dedicated to it and enjoy it a lot, especially when I get a positive reaction.
I appreciate your point but please do not presume I am making art for the "wrong" reason or that art produced for the benefit of others rather than oneself is not as good or proper. One cannot pour their soul into every scrawl, every request. Often the art produced by an outpouring of self is not necessarily considered pretty or nice or even to take great skill. When it comes to the fandom I am not in the business of creating great art, I want to be able to produce a product for people. This thread is where I am asking for feedback to help improve my product.
Sorry about that, this is another point/attitude that I often run into I don't often get a chance to discuss my view on it. There is no better or worse reason to draw people! As long as you are dedicated you can do great things.

And thank you to everyone who has responded so far, I am taking all of these things into consideration there are a few new ones too which is nice :3
Hopefully the above post made sense...

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Re: What's wrong with my art?!
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2011, 09:11:23 am »
Well, when you take into account the size of the fandom, and how many artists pop up every day, it is easy to get bumped from sight by others. I used to do writing, but I think the most viewed thing was maybe 60 views. And my watched by number is only where it is because I watch about 800+ and got some watchbacks, and that I handed out business cards at a convention. But it'll take time to build up numbers, even if you have been in the fandom for a few years now. There are artists I know from this site who are talented, but don't have as much recognition, yourself included.


As for critique, this is tough:
I'd have to say one thing I notice prominantly on your work, is that it seems flat. Almost like it is just meant to be lines on paper, and not a piece of artistic work. I might suggest working on shading and lighting.

The other thing, which I have seen addressed already, is head size. They do seem rather small for the body size.


The styles I am really liking though, are the ones like:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/5756214
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/6259163

The latter one especially, because you went for a more traditional medium, over computer programs.
The first because you still get a traditional medium feeling from it.

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Re: What's wrong with my art?!
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2011, 10:45:13 am »
It's really cool art, and I watched you. Problem is, I can't afford commissions. The only one I'm doing is a $5 refsheet from a personal friend of mine.
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Re: What's wrong with my art?!
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2011, 01:42:08 pm »
There's nothing wrong with your art, as the picture "Chrys of Many Colours, also what needs improving" shows - they're really sweet looking characters with decent cartoony style and attention to detail. I love watercolour, and these characters to me look like they're straight out of a kids book - which is a compliment despite how it sounds. Beatrix Potter is a hero of mine :D

As to why you don't have many followers on FA? Well it's because you don't draw porn. There's only about 10-20 "clean" artists I've seen on Fur Affinity who have in any way comparable watcher numbers to those that draw smut for a living.

It all depends on why you draw. Do you draw because you enjoy it, or because you think you can make money off it and grow your ego? If it's the second option then I'd reassess it - sorry if this sounds bitchy but I get peed off with some of the snobby "l'artistes" on FA who look down on anyone's art if it isn't photo realistic or taken less than 10 hours to do and you sound like much too nice of a chap to become like that :D