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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #260 on: July 23, 2015, 06:21:02 pm »
Italian and Polish with a bunch of other European and Native American thrown in.
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #261 on: July 23, 2015, 07:56:26 pm »
I honestly have no idea what nationality I am owo Am I the only one like this?

Why not ask family members like your parents? They might know  :fox-:P:

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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #262 on: July 24, 2015, 08:32:05 pm »
Wow we have so many nationalities here! :lol-fox:
I have a question for those with native American blood, do you happen to know witch tried? Or at least region?

This is gonna be long, sorry about that, but I hope it's informative :)

A lot of people base it on family oral history (stories of a particular ancestor, for example).  Which makes for a good story, and it's definitely something I wouldn't discount completely, but it's extremely unreliable.  Such stories often originated to explain mixed-race children - conceived by affairs - born to an all-white couple, or to seek family approval for a non-white spouse (not that it was a huge step up, but it could sometimes tip the balance).  They weren't all made up, of course, but even when the person believed to be Native American actually was, their white spouse sometimes encouraged them to say they were from a more well-known/well-regarded tribe.

Combining these is why half the country claims to be part Cherokee; at a time when Native people were widely seen as primitive savages (or later as either "noble savages" or greedy squatters living in the past), the Cherokee Nation was condescendingly considered the most "civilized" tribe.  So it was an easy choice for Native people wanting to assimilate into white culture, Latino and lighter-skinned black people trying to be slightly less discriminated against, and white mothers trying to explain a notably not-white child to a suspicious husband.

(BTW, if the family story contains the word "princess" anywhere, that part is guaranteed false; there was no such thing in any tribe ever.  It doesn't mean the whole story is false, but if you tell a Native American that you're descended from an "Indian princess" or whatever, your credibility is immediately destroyed because you obviously never even typed that into Google.  So if you've been told that, it doesn't automatically mean you're not Native American, it just means that you shouldn't repeat that part.)

The only way to know for sure that a person actually has "Native blood", and/or confirm which tribe they descend from is to trace it through their family tree.  Genealogical records on sites like Ancestry.com go a long way toward confirming it; tribes never really kept such records until fairly recently, but the Bureau of Indian Affairs (*bristles*) thoroughly surveyed almost every tribe at least once.  These are usually the same records present-day tribes use to determine enrollment eligibility, and what the BIA uses to calculate an official "blood quantum" to issue a "Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood" (seriously, this is still a thing in 2015; a literal government-issued card labelling a person's race :-| ).

Even then, it's iffy.  If a person's Native ancestor left the tribe, they probably won't be listed on these rolls.  And a LOT of Native Americans left their tribes; forced removal and relocation programs, forced assimilation (usually by taking children from their parents and placing them with white households or in Christian boarding schools), racist laws aimed at eradication, and living conditions on tribal land being comparable to Haiti made it take some serious dedication to stick around.  Which might be part of the reason why tribes today tend to have very strong cultural identities.

Ultimately, I would say to do the research, to try to find out for sure.  It's not that hard.  If you find a tribal connection, awesome!  Mystery solved :)  If you don't, however, but you do have family stories of a Native American ancestor, you can still try to cross-reference the family tree to make educated guesses.  Look for people whose parents aren't in the records, and whose birth information is spotty; that usually indicates a name change, before courts handled those.  And look at geography; there are certain regions where Native ancestry are more probable at particular time periods, and this will also give a reference point to research what tribes were in the area at the time, and how their respective histories line up with your ancestors'.
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #263 on: July 24, 2015, 09:02:10 pm »
As so many of us Americans seem to be, I'm a mutt.
I'm 50% Canadian, 20% Norwegian, 15% Scottish. With a little Irish, German, Russian and Native American in the mix. 

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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #264 on: July 24, 2015, 10:37:02 pm »
Why thank you Meadow! I know of my region, but jot specific tribe, but I'm searching. :fox-;):
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #265 on: August 27, 2015, 07:21:02 pm »
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #266 on: August 28, 2015, 12:34:06 am »
Australian and British.
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #267 on: August 28, 2015, 01:39:33 pm »
75% Nigerian
25% Nigerien (Tuareg)
 
my family was originally Egyptian (Nubian), pretty much everyone in my ethnic group is.
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #268 on: August 29, 2015, 01:55:56 am »
For me it's split between Prussian (German) and Irish. I'm sure there's a trace of any number of other nationalities in there as well
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #269 on: August 29, 2015, 05:42:01 pm »
I actually have polish AND american nationality. I was born in USA, so due to that I am american, but my family is polish, so due to blood ties I am also polish  :fox-:P:


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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #270 on: September 23, 2015, 07:50:47 pm »
AMERICAN!
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #271 on: February 20, 2016, 11:49:03 pm »
I'm German, French, polish, and isle man
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #272 on: February 21, 2016, 12:13:12 am »
Hmm... A whole bunch of crap I can't remember! It pretty much decreases with the golden ratio as you go down... 50% Creole French, 25% German, 12.5% Irish, etc.

It's not actually that perfect, but it seems to fit it quite accurately!
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #273 on: February 21, 2016, 02:54:24 am »
25% Swedish
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #274 on: February 21, 2016, 03:48:41 am »
70% Mexican
25% German
5% Native American, Scottish, Russian, other

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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #275 on: February 21, 2016, 09:55:43 am »
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #276 on: February 21, 2016, 10:00:31 am »
I dont know, but it has to be someting like
90% German
10% Austrian, polish n stuff like that
But I´m not sure :/
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #277 on: February 21, 2016, 10:21:22 am »

49% Iraqi
49% Russian
2% British

I think there's more to it than that but it's just the basis.
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #278 on: February 21, 2016, 11:04:34 am »
Part Ukrainian, Italian, and Hispanic idk
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Re: Your Nationality
« Reply #279 on: February 21, 2016, 11:29:47 am »
I'm part Japanese and part English.
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