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philosophy thread
« on: November 28, 2015, 06:00:04 am »
just a thread I made to let people say philosophical stuff and ask philosophical questions.

PHILOSOPHISE!
if you take a boat and replace all of the parts, is it the same boat?
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2015, 01:28:56 pm »
I think so. Because if we change part one at time, at the moment of instalment it becomes a part of the ship. So if you change it part by part, it wont be a different ship. It's still the same. Just as through life we change ourselves, but we remain who we are. Or from science side - Every atom in our body is changed/replaced through the time of seven years. But we are still the same person, we are still human.

So I think my answer is that it's still the same boat~

I'm asking the same phylosophical question to person above. I wonder what others think of the topic  :fox-:P:





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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2015, 01:36:38 pm »
that's a good point, but what if you change the parts at the same time?
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2015, 01:48:44 pm »
that's a good point, but what if you change the parts at the same time?

I dont think that would be physically possible, althought thinking about it... I actually dont know what to say there. It feels like it would be a same model of the ship, but not the same ship. Yet at the time similiar. So I guess that my answer is that it wouldnt be the same ship. Yet I think it's a very situational question


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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2015, 01:51:37 pm »
true true.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2015, 02:25:57 pm »
I think so. Because if we change part one at time, at the moment of instalment it becomes a part of the ship. So if you change it part by part, it wont be a different ship. It's still the same. Just as through life we change ourselves, but we remain who we are. Or from science side - Every atom in our body is changed/replaced through the time of seven years. But we are still the same person, we are still human.

So I think my answer is that it's still the same boat~

I'm asking the same phylosophical question to person above. I wonder what others think of the topic  :fox-:P:

Yes but your forgetting in the human example (guessing you saw the Vsauce episode) that its are memories that are always there thus we are the same person because of them. But if you literally replaced all the atoms of an object is is different because the part that made it up are no longer there making it up. Its an exact duplicate nothing more.

Do you think its possible for us to ever fully understand the human brain? Il use this quote as my answer "If the human mind was simple enough to understand, we'd be too simple to understand it." Think about a computer, its like trying to get a CPU to understand what it is, it never has the capacity to do so.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2015, 08:31:19 pm »
A computer is nothing more then millions of combinations of 0s and 1s. While it may not understand the why it can certainly understand the how. its about the same with the brain. Once we develop the tech we will eventually find every 0 and 1.

To what extent do you shape your future and how much is down to fate?
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2015, 08:37:38 pm »
I like to think that our fate is out of our hands and we re just bits of matter brought along for the ride.
even if we try to change our fates, the universe will have already accounted for it and made us change our fate to the intended outcome.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2015, 09:58:38 pm »
For the first question, I see it to ask if its the same after all the changes.  In that case, the boat wouldn't be the same, because the parts are completely different.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2015, 10:00:18 am »
Fate is a very interesting concept. Imagine a machine or computer or something somewhere outside the universe that had enough power to correctly calculate and simulate every single particle interaction to the finest detail. Imagine using it before the universe started. If you input all the starting conditions of the universe you will end up being able to predict with 100% certainty everything that will happen from the start of the universe to the end. That includes human actions and decisions. At the end of the day our brains are still matter made up of molecules and atoms that interact and can be predicted. If such a machine existed then it would prove fate and that we cant make our own decisions. The thing is that machine might actually be possible. We don't know every law of physics yet but we can calculate a lot of interactions. All we need is time, eventually we will be able to calculate and simulate perfect interactions following all the laws of physics. Then all we need is enough computing power to apply that to the googolplex amount of particles in the universe. So doesn't this prove fate? There's only one thing I can think of that would say otherwise and that is down to quantum field fluctuations and quantum uncertainty. Theoretically these quantum decisions are entirely random and can never be predicted. But those are just my thoughts, anyone agree with this?
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2015, 10:10:01 am »
^^
now that you say that, you have a point.
perhaps everything is completely random. but at the same time, something must be predetermined.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2015, 10:43:31 am »
If the boat remains unmodified, and still the same model of boat than what it originally was, then yes, that is still the same boat.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2015, 12:16:24 am »
A hotel with an infinite amount of rooms is fully occupied. 1 guest shows up to check in. Can he get a room in the hotel?
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2015, 02:35:34 am »
A hotel with an infinite amount of rooms is fully occupied. 1 guest shows up to check in. Can he get a room in the hotel?
A common riddle easily answered. Infinity is endless, and thereby, in having an infinite number, there will always be another room despite every room being filled. The easiest solution for finding this mysterious room though is by telling everyone to move one room down and placing him in the first. This can be done forever, as by the very concept of infinity, the hotel is technically always filled and yet always can hold one more person, no matter the circumstance

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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2015, 04:38:22 am »
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2016, 01:28:10 am »
If we could go back in time and change one specific point in the past, what would it be? would you even want to change anything?
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2016, 06:56:33 am »
If we could go back in time and change one specific point in the past, what would it be? would you even want to change anything?

I don't really want to mess with the past since I wouldn't know the consequences of my action and how this can alter my future...
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2016, 02:48:18 pm »
so.... this thread isn't actually Philosophical thoughts, but riddles?  I've been lied to.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2016, 03:33:43 pm »
if you take a boat and replace all of the parts, is it the same boat?
Ah the Ship of Theseus... I remember this, it was a pretty interesting question. This question is like asking if a person damaged a bone and they had to replace it with an artificial bone would the still be the same person? As a whole they would be the same person/ship. We are made up of various parts and not just one part, we can't define each other just as one thing but as the pieces that make up who we are. Everyone can be nice, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone is the same.
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Re: philosophy thread
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2016, 03:35:34 pm »
if you take a boat and replace all of the parts, is it the same boat?
Ah the Ship of Theseus... I remember this, it was a pretty interesting question. This question is like asking if a person damaged a bone and they had to replace it with an artificial bone would the still be the same person? As a whole they would be the same person/ship. We are made up of various parts and not just one part, we can't define each other just as one thing but as the pieces that make up who we are. Everyone can be nice, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone is the same.
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