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Our Neighbour
« on: December 14, 2009, 08:08:50 pm »
So, recently I have had more time on my hands, and being bored, I have done a good bit of reading on the internet...

I came across a website that among other things, had something about another site.
Details: The real site was a children's site. The site he made (through domain squatting) led children who mistyped the adress, to a pornographic site.
It linked to a page about him on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Zuccarini
Which lead to the 'Truth in Domain Names Act': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#Truth_in_Domain_Names_Act
Which led to this:http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Prosecutorial_Remedies_and_Other_Tools_to_end_the_Exploitation_of_Children_Today_Act_of_2003/Title_V/Subtitle_B

Basically, what it is saying, is that if you use a domain name, similar to that of a site for minors, with it leading to a pornographic site, you are breaking a federal law.

I know some of us have had the mistake of hitting the wrong url... and I know it was alluded to in the past, that it was being looked into, a way to 'take care' of that site...

(Natasha, if you see this unfit for public discussion, for any reason, you can delete this and we can talk about it privately.)
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 08:10:48 pm »
Hmm...This is very intriguing, actually, thanks for the tip!  It's research time :-)

EDIT:  Much to my surprise, the site in question appears to be hosted in the US.  I'll be looking into this further, thanks for the research :-)

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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 08:28:56 pm »
I'm frankly beyond impressed... and worried about the site now.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 09:21:23 pm »
...and worried about the site now.

Worried about our site?  Why?
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 10:17:04 pm »
...and worried about the site now.

Worried about our site?  Why?

Indeed why? Possibly someone might have a site similar to our domain and we end up breaking federal law because of it? Hopefully not, but not like anything can be done about it.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 10:29:48 pm »
Yeah, I recently found our little neighbor site...not very pretty. You must've had fun researching it, Natasha.

I wish you luck on trying to rid the web of that icky site...


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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 10:32:04 pm »
For everyone who's never made a typo while coming to FT, there's a porn site with an extremely similar domain name to ours.  We often get people who accidently visit it while trying to come here.  Previously, my understanding of the legality of these situations is that unless we had a registered trademark and enough lawyers to start the process (a very expensive proposition).  However, based on DAS's findings, I have a new angle to approach from to get that other site shut down and/or sieze control of their domain myself.

Thus, this is good news for us, especially since the other site in question seems to be hosted in the US (which is required to invoke US laws against a site/host/domain).

You must've had fun researching it, Natasha.

Thankfully, visiting a site is not required to look up who registered the domain and who hosts it :-)
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2009, 06:07:50 am »
shut down and/or sieze control of

Am I the only one who gets that warm, fuzzy feeling when I hear those words, regardless of the context?

In response to the thread, however, were we here before them?
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2009, 06:56:10 am »
In response to the thread, however, were we here before them?

Also a good question...Hmm, it seems they've been registered since '03, and while we've sorta been around that long or longer, we haven't had a domain that long.  Looks like another question for my lawyer friend.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2009, 10:52:17 am »
Yeah I mistyped the URL once and I was directed there, luckily I had this thing which blocked inappropriate sites at that time so I didn't have to see anything disgusting!

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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2009, 04:27:52 pm »
Well, it is tough, with it being a bit earlier in registration....


I would like to point out, one of the things it says is about using misleading words in URL's...

Ok, 'furry' can refer to hair, but the word 'teens'... I find something wrong in any site hosting such material with 'teens' in their URL...


Also, for the record, if anyone else wants to read: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2252B.html
^This is the law, as it is written.

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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2009, 05:43:32 pm »
Oh god...I ran into that thanks to Spaz, and my kitty curiosity (She said something like "Ugh, I keep tryping furryteens and hitting alt and enter"...so I Tried it x.x) But yeah, I vote for a hostile takeover of the domain ^^
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2009, 05:43:58 pm »

Ok, 'furry' can refer to hair, but the word 'teens'... I find something wrong in any site hosting such material with 'teens' in their URL...


It's not misleading, though. The "models" are more than likely 18 or 19, still making them teens.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 05:57:28 pm »

Ok, 'furry' can refer to hair, but the word 'teens'... I find something wrong in any site hosting such material with 'teens' in their URL...


It's not misleading, though. The "models" are more than likely 18 or 19, still making them teens.

Doesn't change the fact that a porn site right next to a site geared to minors is a major problem, and the law recognizes it.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 06:06:36 pm »

Ok, 'furry' can refer to hair, but the word 'teens'... I find something wrong in any site hosting such material with 'teens' in their URL...


It's not misleading, though. The "models" are more than likely 18 or 19, still making them teens.

Doesn't change the fact that a porn site right next to a site geared to minors is a major problem, and the law recognizes it.

Oh, no, of course not. So, what tactics would you be using to make this happen, Natasha?
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 08:45:27 pm »
Wow Danny-boy, this is some quality researchin'!
Maybe finally we won't have to ever worry about accidental porn assaults to the eyes.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2009, 11:15:14 pm »
I'm am quite fortunate to never have stumbled upon the site, linked here through the Furry Wiki, thus saving me from the issue of mistyping as I bookmarked this place.


Ok, 'furry' can refer to hair, but the word 'teens'... I find something wrong in any site hosting such material with 'teens' in their URL...


It's not misleading, though. The "models" are more than likely 18 or 19, still making them teens.

Doesn't change the fact that a porn site right next to a site geared to minors is a major problem, and the law recognizes it.

Oh, no, of course not. So, what tactics would you be using to make this happen, Natasha?

So yah, what exactly will be the course of action 0.0? Any ideas? Hopefully to get rid of it? Or is action being taken, from the looks of it Natasha is doing whatever she can, in addition to the difficulty managing the other things in her "to-do" list.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2009, 12:00:32 am »
I'm still looking into that, I really don't know yet.  I may need to go through some actual legal proceedings to make this happen, in which case we either need a pro-bono lawyer (translation: massive amounts of media exposure), or donations, because I can't pay for something like that.
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2009, 01:39:34 pm »
Ok, super big news:

I did some more research, and the domain expired yesterday!
To follow up, I checked and the site is down pending renewal or deletion...
However, also through searching, I saw the last update the site had was almost a year ago. (Meaning it may have just been left to expire)

So, keep those fingers crossed, but for now, our neighbour is gone.

*Natasha, I don't know how easy it would be for you to aquire this domain, if possible... (I am not sure how long a period they have to renew the site before it goes.)


Just to let you all know!
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Re: Our Neighbour
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2009, 02:01:22 pm »
Wow!
what a coincidence that it disappears the day after it is mentioned.