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Nazi music
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:36:06 pm »
Any one here like Nazi punk music? I found a couple of Nazi bands and I have to say I realy like it :x Even if they are Nazis they can make good music.
So just askin' people on FT if you guys like Nazi music?

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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 05:04:28 pm »
I don't really know...there are a LOT of stereotypes that people would put on you if you went around telling people that. I don't think I would be into it :/

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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2010, 06:06:13 pm »
I don't really know...there are a LOT of stereotypes that people would put on you if you went around telling people that. I don't think I would be into it :/

Thats true but they have realy good songs just there lyrics are evil

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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2010, 09:11:29 pm »
I confess

I actually like Skrewdriver

I mean, I don't agree with the rather nasty lyrical themes and whatnot, but it's filled to the brim with attidude

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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2010, 07:52:25 am »
Nazis do music?? That's all new to me. I thought they were all dead :/ *shakes head*
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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2010, 09:49:39 am »
Nazis do music?? That's all new to me. I thought they were all dead :/ *shakes head*
Nah, a lot of them are zombies now ;)
sounds interesting, I might give it a try. Can anyone post a link to a song? i wouldn't know where to find one.
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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2010, 02:34:31 pm »
Screw the stereotypes, a lot of Neo Nazi music is fucking good. And it's in German, so you don't have to acknowledge the meaning of the lyrics. Check out Landser, they're bangin'.

Good music is good music, regardless of the message behind it.
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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2010, 03:33:58 am »
One could argue that the point of music is to communicate a message, inherently and incorrigibly.
The music = the message.

If a song is about racial cleansing it's about racial cleansing, regardless of whether or not you understand the lyrics. I think the music carries enough message itself.

It's different from, say, a band like Burzum. Yeah, the guy has identified with neo-nazi sentiments but not all of his songs are generally about that.

Here we have people making music centered around a specific ideology and idea, one that is prejudiced, violent, etc etc. The point of the music is to communicate that message.

If there was a band that was centered around the idea of killing gay people, or furries, or babies, what have you, and I knew that, I don't think I'd be able to enjoy their music, even if it was in another language. Even if the music was amazingly structured, profoundly realised, a paragon of technicality.

Not trying to throw down any one else here "O U LEIK NAZI MUSIC YOU SUCK",
just throwin a point out there, you know?
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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2010, 04:18:55 pm »
What do you mean by 'Nazi music' exactly? Do you mean National Socialistic music in general, or just a specific genre?

Anyway, I haven't listened to much of it in a while, but I do rather like some NSBM (some bands that come to mind being... Paganblut, Ulfhethnar (Deu), and Graveland). I also rather like Grinded Nig, although they *are* death metal and not BM.

Outside of that, though, I'm not really a fan of NS rock music (or much other music) in general, for much the same reason I wouldn't listen to other artists in the same genres (regardless of their political leanings); it bores me. So, for example... I don't much care for 'emo' as a genre at all, but a band's status as an 'NS emo' band wouldn't deter me from liking them at all (as long as their music is decent).

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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2010, 04:37:07 pm »
Wagner the composer (that wrote an 18 hour long opera)'s music is called Nazi often, given that Hitler admired him like nothing else, Wagner was super anti-semitic, and Hitler played the 'Die Miestersinger overture at all his rallies, but I like the music anyways. Wagner is a massive taboo in Isreal and everything.

I can't feel the hatred eminate from the harmonies or make out what the German lyrics mean, but I wouldn't care as much anyways. I think I've done worse things than listen to Nazi music.

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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2010, 04:54:23 pm »
Wagner is the same point I was trying to make with Burzum - the dude may be anti-semitic, but his music did not exist for the sole purpose of expounding that anti-semitic ideology.

I really don't care if anyone listens to 'Nazi' music or not, definitely not something I'd judge them on, and nor am I saying it's some highhorrible taboo. It's just the sort of thing where the history and background would influence my perception of the art, and ultimately, I don't know if I'd be able to get past that, personally.

There are a type of french, gold-gilded clocks, called 'death clocks' (no joke), because the process of making them (let's just say it involved a lot of mercury. A lot.) generally killed the clockmakers. These are beautiful  clocks, but for some, the clock's history is disparaging when it comes to buying one.

Maybe that's a bad example, because I think I would buy one if I had the money and place for it. But I'm just proposing that idea - that the history or background of a work of art can, indelibly, influence its perception. In the case of the death clock, what was once a beautiful, gilded golden clock is now a lot more macabre and dark in its nature.
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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2010, 10:59:12 pm »
Wagner is the same point I was trying to make with Burzum - the dude may be anti-semitic, but his music did not exist for the sole purpose of expounding that anti-semitic ideology.

I really don't care if anyone listens to 'Nazi' music or not, definitely not something I'd judge them on, and nor am I saying it's some highhorrible taboo. It's just the sort of thing where the history and background would influence my perception of the art, and ultimately, I don't know if I'd be able to get past that, personally.

There are a type of french, gold-gilded clocks, called 'death clocks' (no joke), because the process of making them (let's just say it involved a lot of mercury. A lot.) generally killed the clockmakers. These are beautiful  clocks, but for some, the clock's history is disparaging when it comes to buying one.

Maybe that's a bad example, because I think I would buy one if I had the money and place for it. But I'm just proposing that idea - that the history or background of a work of art can, indelibly, influence its perception. In the case of the death clock, what was once a beautiful, gilded golden clock is now a lot more macabre and dark in its nature.
but, one thing you've got to remember is, sometimes people will listen(or buy, or whatever) to something because of the stigmatism associated with it.  To continue with the clock example, some people would buy it due to the fact that the process of making it killed to person who made it.  It's the same with this, some people listen to this because of the "creepiness" factor, if you will.

I'm not saying that everyone does(I enjoy Burzum & other stuff like that based on itself), but some people let the dark past of things, or the stigmatism associated with it, influence their choices of wether it's "cool" or not.

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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2010, 03:35:07 pm »
Guys, this thread is to discuss the music. If you want to debate about whether buying it means you endorse the message or not, take it to Debate.
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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2010, 05:21:24 pm »
If you want to debate about whether buying it means you endorse the message or not, take it to Debate.

Not trying to throw down any one else here "O U LEIK NAZI MUSIC YOU SUCK",
just throwin a point out there, you know?

I really don't care if anyone listens to 'Nazi' music or not, definitely not something I'd judge them on, and nor am I saying it's some highhorrible taboo. It's just the sort of thing where the history and background would influence my perception of the art, and ultimately, I don't know if I'd be able to get past that, personally.

If I need to reiterate a third time, then I will - I am not debating whether buying it means you endorse the message. My opinions enumerated here are not at all concerned with other people, only with myself. And, to myself, the history and intent of the music marrs its enjoyability.

It's interesting, though, because as Chopin noted, some will buy or consume something merely because of its dark, macabre, or taboo history. I myself am guilty of this. Dark ambient artist Lustmord presiding over Black Mass. An album by Anton LaVey. The fact that I look at the death clock and find it fascinating. Ultimately I think it comes down to psychology. Said album by Lustmord and said album by LaVey aren't advocating anything negative. And the death clock isn't advocating death. Knowing that a song or album is advocating a particular point of view I disagree with is enough to give me that sort of icky-stomach-feeling that just makes the music unenjoyable for me. Whether that message be Nazism, or just some religious, social, or political viewpoint I don't quite agree with, the psychological effect remains the same. Some people can get past that, but for me, while I may find the music interesting from a social and musical standpoint, it's hard for me to find enjoyment in it.

Hope that clarifies things.
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Re: Nazi music
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 12:42:39 pm »
nazi punk music was mainy used to poison the minds of the young generations with ideas of hate and cataclysmic purificatoin of another race, but i dont know about now.
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