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Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« on: May 08, 2010, 12:10:48 pm »
Before I start, I have to let you know this is entirely based on opinion, and experience with the games. If you disagree, I'm not "wrong" I just have a different opinion.

Bethesda's games used: Morrowind, Oblivion, Shivering islands, Fallout 3(No DLC or expansion packs.)
Bioware's games used: KOTOR I (II wasn't actually developed by Bioware, but Obsidian) , Mass effect I + II, Dragon age, origins.

The review will be broken into 5 parts.
Sound - quality and music
Graphics - quality, realism, and proper use.
Acting - Both voice and animation
Story -  good or bad?
Gameplay - ease of use of the interface.

PART I - SOUND

While kotor 1 and morrowind don't have great sound effects, their more recent counter parts do. Bioware's sound effects, while some may be overly used (such as lightsabers and lasers), they feel right at home. Morrowind and oblivions sword sounds are pretty fitting too, and ambient noises fit perfectly. Between the 2, the sound effects are pretty balanced.

However, this all changes with music. In bethesda games, music is often an underscore, not being really good, and mainly used for setting a background or a scene. However, in Bioware's games, the music plays a major part. The soundtracks in Bioware games sound like they are right out of a movie, adding a good amount of drama and setting the scene perfectly. Every song is original, and reminiscent of each other, or their original sources (in KOTOR) The music is even enjoyable to listen to out of game, while most of bethesda's games are, in reality, kinda boring. The best bethesda song (IMO) is the opening cinimatic for oblivion. And for bioware, IT is "Suicide Mission" from Mass effect 2. And the music from Fallout 3 may be fun old tunes, but they aren't original.

Winner -- Bioware

PART II Graphics


Everyone whose every played Morrowind knows the graphics are awful. but that's not why you play it. Oblivion and fallout 3 share the same engine, but that's not a bad thing. The engine they use is incredible, allowing for 2 square miles of intriguing environment that gives a feeling like no other game. It really submerses you in a game, and taking your first steps into the Cyrodillic Wilderness, or the ruins of D.C. are breath taking. Kotor I isn't big on the graphics either, but they do look good, especially for their time. Dragon age is very interesting. The graphics are good, but not great. its similar to a story, much like the game is. Mass effect 1 and 2 use the UT3 engine, which is gorgeous and doesn't take much at all to run, so that's smooth. plus, the environments are stunning in beauty and realism of the setting. but not much can beat the detail put in Bethesda's games.
 
Winner -- Sorry, but bethesda wins this one.

Part III Acting

Honestly, this is a pretty obvious one. While Oblivion may have Patrick Stuart, he is only in the beginning. pretty much all of the other actors are rather bland, and say the same exact things, in eachother's voices. morrowind deosn't even really have voices, and fallout 3's aren't much better.
Yet every person in ALL of biowares games is a unique actor, and ME2 even has people like Tricia Helfer, Adam Baldwin, and Seth green. Mass effect 1 has 20,000 unique lines itself, equivalent of 20 full length movies. and much of the acting is quite good too.

Winner -- Bioware, by a while.

PART IV Story


Morrowind - this is the reason you play morrowind. it has a great story. the number and varible of quests is mind boggling.
Oblivion - kinda diluted, but enjoyable none-the-less
Fallout 3 - Very fun, kinda dramatic at the end, but it lacks it through much of the game.
KOTOR 1- you wont find a better star wars adventure out there. Guaranteed.
Mass effect 1 - a great sci fi, believable characters, and the ability to change the final out come greatly is a trademark of all bioware games.
ME2- every good quality of ME1 seems to be magnified in this game. it's got probably one of the greatest stories I have ever played, and with such a good engine and music tying it together, it is a real work of art.
Dragon age - PRobably the weakest Bioware game. not as good as the others, but still an excellent story.

And while all bioware game's stories are virtually the same (you are someone special[Jedi, Grey warden, Specter], and you save the [galaxy, world, galaxy again] with a team of npcs whose stories unfold as you travel.) the recipe seems to really work.

Winner -- Bioware, once again

PART V Gameplay


Bethesda has found the secret to good gameplay. morrowind is a real pain to get used too, but oblivio9n and fallout 3 are much simpler then bioware games.
Bioware games are more for the die-hard RPG fans, where your menu is split into roughly 10 screens, most of which have to do with the character. oblivion has 4 and fallout 3 has 3 while being just as detailed as bioware games in both ME and Fallout3/oblivion, the game works that you can hit an enemy with ease of your gamer experience, but your damage and repetition are based on the RPG part, levels. morrowind and dragon age/KOTOR base it completely on the RPG part.

Winner -- the ease of bethesda allows it to slip through and claim this.

End result --

The games are really different. If you want a great story, and a heavy in depth world, then bioware is the right one for you. If you want lighter but still great fun gameplay, with a fun story to tie it together, then Bethesda is what you want.

Personally I enjoy Bioware games more.


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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2010, 03:00:42 pm »
This is a really great review. I haven't played games by either company, so I can't give an opinion.
But +cookie for having such a well-written review. It was very in-depth, understandable, and overall enjoyable to read. Yay for going into details!
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2010, 03:55:59 pm »
Personally I could never choose, I voted Bethesda just because Fallout 3 is the epitome of what all game should aim to be.  I still have yet to purchase ME2 but the first game was an artful and innovative achievement to say the least.  KOTOR (and II) had a storyline and amount of rich game play and customization that was unparalleled at the time of its release.  I mean seriously, when KOTOR first came out there was nothing that really came close to how awesome it was.

The thing Bethesda still struggles with now that they have mastered mechanics, is making a real story.  I play fallout for the slow mo gun porn set to the sweet sounds of the 50's in the ruins of DC, because that in itself, is an amazing experience.  The characters of F3 though, always seem to be just that- shallow characters.  When you play a game it is an experience of immersion in an RPG.  Mass effect and KOTOR always had that sense of desperation and adventure, individuals truly interact with you across the backdrop of a tumultuous galaxy, for this, Bioware can never be given enough credit.     

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2010, 09:11:11 pm »
This is a really great review. I haven't played games by either company, so I can't give an opinion.
But +cookie for having such a well-written review. It was very in-depth, understandable, and overall enjoyable to read. Yay for going into details!
Thanks! I came up with the idea after saying to my friend "there are like 100,000 japanese rpg companies, but only 2 in america. its pretty much bethesda and bioware." And then I thought to compare them. I plan on doing another one, of either "Bungie Versus Valve" or "EALA versus westwood studios" (Westwood studios was bought by EA and became EALA)
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2010, 11:10:08 pm »
I kinda have to disagree with your game play points.  Earlier games like Jade Empire (how could you not mention Bioware's first foray into Real Time Combat?) and KOTOR did take some handling but where no where near is duanting as Morrowind's system could be with all kinds of stats and abilities out of the gate with virtually no tutorial about them.

Oblivion simplified the game immensely but I still think Mass Effect 2 takes the cake for simplicity.  You could technically go through the whole game without even worrying about the RPG elements and just treating it as a third person shooter.

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2010, 12:51:28 pm »
Bethesda FTW X3
I really didn't like either Mass Effect - the story was too dry for me, and everything was stereotipically SciFi (like playing a Star Trek remake).  And then Dragon Age was terrible - how they thought their battle system was innovative I'll never know.
But whenever I pick up a Bethesda game, I feel I am playing a true sandbox, do whatever you want game that I've been looking for since birth!
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2010, 04:09:23 pm »
Btw, these were reviewed on a PC, so controls are different than consoles. And which you like really depends on how much you like future/past settings.
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2010, 05:42:48 pm »
That's true...
But the gameplay doesn't necessarily change when switched from a PC to console or vice versa, except for the graphics and accessability due to the arrangment of controls.

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2010, 02:12:28 am »
although I am obsessed with fallout you are probably right. But even though fallouts music is not original it is super special awesome
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2010, 08:59:02 am »
I actually don't own any games from either of those developers. But, I have played and seen games from both of them, enough to give my opinion.

I like Bethesda better.

Mass Effect had too much of a "generic" feel to it. I got bored fast playing it.

I think that Oblivion and Fallout 3 were amazing games. I love open world games with little details, easter eggs, and cool, random things to find. Those games really hit home when I played them. Also, the post-apocalyptic setting of Fallout 3 was very well done.

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2010, 12:25:25 am »
bethesda
I have only played dragon age origins it became repetitive. Fallout 3 and Oblivion where more open ened so you can do the same thing in diffrent ways.
The orginal bad dragon

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2010, 04:54:50 pm »
OBLIVION!!!!
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2010, 05:56:23 pm »
I felt more free in Bethesda games and that is why I pick Bethesda.

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 06:28:00 pm »
I like Bethesda best, personally, just because of Fallout 3 and Oblivion (which I just got! ^.^).

But I don't have any Bioware games, so I can't make an honest opinion.
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2010, 09:05:26 pm »
Bethesda of course. Oblivion is one of my favorite games.  I've had the same character on Oblivion for 3 years.

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2010, 09:29:06 pm »
Hmm.
Bioware games average rating is 9.075 while Bethesda is 8.9 I kinda find it funny that while the critics agree with me, the majority of gamers prefer bethesda.
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2010, 09:30:52 pm »
The reason people Like Bethesda more than Bioware is Bethesda games last much longer. Oblivion has 100 hours of gameplay. Bioshock 2 has around 40 hours of gameplay.

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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 11:10:29 pm »
The reason people Like Bethesda more than Bioware is Bethesda games last much longer. Oblivion has 100 hours of gameplay. Bioshock 2 has around 40 hours of gameplay.
i dont think bioshock 2 was made by bioware
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Re: Bethesda Versus Bioware Review
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2010, 04:59:54 pm »
The reason people Like Bethesda more than Bioware is Bethesda games last much longer. Oblivion has 100 hours of gameplay. Bioshock 2 has around 40 hours of gameplay.
i dont think bioshock 2 was made by bioware

They both were made by Bethesda. And even though Bioshock is shorter, you have to look at the progression of the story line. I dont think that there were ANY other quests you could take other than your main one. They want you to push through to the next level, the only other thing you could do was go and collect stuff (fun huh?)
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