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Offline Marcus

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Could you part with your Fursona?
« on: December 16, 2010, 11:41:31 pm »
I saw on a live journal community a friend of a member was offered $200 to relinquish her main fursona to another person... And declined because of attachment. Whether or not this is true, I can't confirm. It got me thinking though...

Some of us have only had our fursona's for a few weeks, while some of us have had ours for years. Could you give away your fursona for a sum of money? Meaning, they'd own it now. They can do whatever they want with it. (Including commissioning/drawing art or pornography, make a suit of it, or not even use it at all) If not $200, how much? If not for any sum of money, why?

I wouldn't feel the same in the furry community without Mercury/Marcus as I've had this character for almost two years. I'd have a hard time letting go. It'd take more than a months worth of commission money to toss them off.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 11:47:32 pm »
I dont' think I could. Maybe for like, a couple THOUSAND maybe, but, she's a part of me. Any of my alternates, pssh, they can have them for free. But Mangobbu is my fursona, I've had her for over a year, and I luff her to pieces c:
Plus, all my commissioned/traded/gift/request art would lose it's meaning to me. I couldn't give her up.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 11:52:05 pm »
Well, I've tried so many times just to design new fursonas to replace Spaz, but I can NEVER do it. But for money? ... It depends on who'd get him. If he went to someone who would actually draw and use him a lot, then I probably wouldn't mind. But he went to a person who never thought twice about him, then HELL NO.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 11:59:11 pm »
No I can't because my fursona is a part of me. I know it sounds weird but that's how I fell about it.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2010, 12:08:32 am »
For what amount...  $200?  Probably not.  Z is awesome like that.  I'll probably sell my secondary for that much though.  He's just the obligatory canine fursona that I barely use...

For an unreasonable amount of money...  Well, when given the opportunity, I believe that any persons fursona could be bought when large amounts of money are being put on the table.  Needless to say, I'm pretty sure most of us would sell our fursonas for a million dollars regardless of what the buyer does with them.  Most people would have a selling point, in my opinion.  I'm also pretty sure that there are others who would reject all the riches in the universe to keep their fursonas for various reasons such as spiritual connections, etc, but I wouldn't know much about that. 

Another interesting question arises from this topic: What would I do if I sold my fursona? 

I dunno, honestly.  Z is my window into the furry world that fits me right.  Maybe I would try some other interesting species and see what I feel like from there, but nothing would fill the hole where Z once resided.  I would probably just straight up leave the fandom.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2010, 12:49:08 am »
To be completely honest, I struggle with the idea that intellectual property can be bought and sold. Buying and selling a character?

I mean, characters being used for profit, copyrighted characters; Batman, Superman, The Green Lantern, Spongebob, &c.... can have their rights sold, but they're registered as franchises, items, &c., with the purpose of being used for such.

Contra to that, I can't name a character within this fandom that is protected by an actual copyright or registered as a trademark: All of them are acknowledged intellectual property, and generally untouched by the people who didn't create them on the grounds that, intellectually, they belong to their creators.

It can't have been easy for the creators of copyrighted characters to give their things away(although once they become economic objects I'm sure the creator's perception of them is altered), but once they do sell them, they lose the rights to them. For a non-registered character who exists in the background of a fandom, can we say the same? It's not so much an emotional attachment in all cases as an acknowledged ownership and a sense of familiarity. A character doesn't just become an emotional object: There's a perceived sense of ownership because of the origins of that character. My character, Cell, for instance: Could you see someone else prancing about using him for whatever? Could you see him in futuristic or medieval armor? I mean, I've never drawn that, never used him for that. And so that subliminal sense of familiarity just up and poofs.
Similarly, I would be outraged if I found someone using Finch in their work. Mostly because I have a set of emotional expressions and the like expressed by him that are familiar to me, because he originated in me(my brain, intellectually). It's an emotional response, but not quite a purely emotional connection with either of the characters I've offered as examples. I would be angry to lose them, and I would deny any offers to purchase these characters. But not because I'm super "emotionally" attached. They have familiarity, their natures would change with the hands that they were in, and that in essence would destroy the familiarity of the character and in turn bring about the emotional response.

In short, it's a perceived ownership of a character, which doesn't go away even if the money changes hands unless perhaps the character was created with that purpose in mind.

Our characters are like a child's favorite toy: If we outgrow it, and if it is gotten rid of --whether it was of use to us or not-- we feel a sort of loss because we have developed the idea that "that is mine, and it came about as a product of my intellect."

Anyway, that's how I see it.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2010, 12:52:59 am »
it's not something you can sell it's like human but not real !

would you sell your own life for some guy ?

don't think so

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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 01:00:45 am »
it's not something you can sell it's like human but not real !

would you sell your own life for some guy ?

don't think so

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it's a design dude, not a life, or a real creature.
It's the same as a commission, but selling a char XD...
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 01:02:38 am »
it is  :alexxgay:

if you made something that looks like you then why would you sell it  :alexxwtf:

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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2010, 01:08:06 am »
-snippers-

I'm going to have to agree with Santi.
It may be a matter of possession, an "I own this" train of thought which can lead to feelings of loss if the character is sold...
But it isn't immoral, nor is it an issue at which we must scream "You heartless fools!"
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2010, 01:10:28 am »
I agree with Cell, with both posts. /nodnod

Although, I can see where you're coming from with the 'its a part of me' thing. :3

OT, you sure like Alexx's emotes doncha c:
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2010, 01:15:34 am »
Dan has been my face in the fandom for over two and a half years now. He is basically myself, as a furry.

And for that reason, selling him would be like selling a part of myself that people know.

And the point is made that if you were to sell them, the other person has the rights to do as they please.
For those of us who have come to be known by those names, for someone to take that over, could change people's opinions of you, if they did not know that this new person was not you.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2010, 01:29:02 am »
I agree with Cell, with both posts. /nodnod

Although, I can see where you're coming from with the 'its a part of me' thing. :3

OT, you sure like Alexx's emotes doncha c:

ye  :alexxgay:

it's like you make your own fursona then you make suit of it and then you sell your suite and fursona to someone for $$

how do you feel ? I wouldn't feel so good

 :alexxwtf:

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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2010, 01:53:47 am »
I agree with Cell, with both posts. /nodnod

Although, I can see where you're coming from with the 'its a part of me' thing. :3

OT, you sure like Alexx's emotes doncha c:

ye  :alexxgay:

it's like you make your own fursona then you make suit of it and then you sell your suite and fursona to someone for $$

how do you feel ? I wouldn't feel so good

 :alexxwtf:

Well, it depends if you have emotional value or like Cell said, familiarity in your fursona.

Although, I wouldn't imagine someone creating fursonas just to sell them.  As in, make a business off of them. 
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2010, 02:18:12 am »
-snippity snip-

Because I am posting way too much in this thread, I will say that it isn't that there isn't emotional value if there is familiarity: My viewpoint is simply that familiarity is the base of the emotional or sentimental value, and that it provokes it.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2010, 03:04:57 am »
For some reason I just can't...maybe because Kelly is based on a husky I really miss...Very interesting question, though.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2010, 09:48:43 am »
I view a fursona as a jacket. Sure, it might not be the flashiest or best thought out jacket, but it's mine. Some people can sell their jackets, it all really depends on how much they were attatched to in the first place, but as it belongs to them it's their choice.

Personally I couldn't sell my jacket as I'd hate to find a picture of it somewhere having sex with a wall or a fish or something.

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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2010, 04:27:27 pm »
 I honestly can't agree more with what Cell's been saying. (I'd quote you, buddy, but then there wouldn't be any room left for my post.) Ownership is subjective, and while intellectual copyright laws are very complicated and tough to navigate, we give ideas value because they have sentiment to us. But I also have to agree with Zenith in that every person has a selling price. Sentiment it all well and good, and it's easy to say we wouldn't part with our fursonas for a thousand, a hundred thousand, or even a million dollars, but that's because the chance of it happening are slim to none. You don't really know how you'd react if someone came up to you with an obscene amount of cash offered in exchange for your fursona until it actually happened. It's easy to think you'd say no, right? As much as I like to think I'd be able to stick to my guns and decline the offer, I don't know. If he'd be treated kindly and given the fame he deserves, or if I could still write for his character to some degree, I might just take that deal. College is coming and I've got a life to start, and money isn't exactly growing on the trees. Maybe- maybe- if the price was right... it's all in the negotiation, I suppose.

 Duino, cheesy as it is to say, is a part of me. Heck, to some degree, he is me. I try to avoid it because it's not exactly the easiest thing to explain, but he and I are the same person to the best extent nature will allow. He used to simply be another character I made for fun one day, but as I started meeting other furries and tried RPing and got his name out there, i realized how easy he was to write for. I realized how he wasn't telling jokes that I wrote for him- I was telling jokes under an assumed name. It wasn't even writing anymore- it was having a conversation. Granted, it was a conversation where I beat someone over the head with a frying pan and received a safe to the cranium in return, but a conversation nonetheless. But could I sell him? To a TV station for cartoon syndication on which I could be a writer, sure. Hell, that's almost a goal I have with him. But to a private person for individual entertainment, at risk of loss of character canon and the potential to be Rule 34'd? Well, like I said, it depends on the buyer and the money, so I'd imagine I could find someone who wouldn't put him through that. And even in the best case, where he'd be treated nicely but I wouldn't have any control over him, I'd like to imagine that it's still a solid "no."

 What, then, about one of my other characters? I have a rabbit alternate I've named Rainer to pay homage to the same thing Duino is named for (The DUINO Elegies by RAINER Maria Rilke), and he represents a large facet of my personality too. In fact, he was the prototype of Duino- my first choice for a species was a rabbit, since the two leading influences I had to become a furry were two specific rabbits themselves. But he isn't me. He may be based off a part of my personality, but in the end, he's nothing more than that- a character. Sure, I enjoy his company, and I try to love him, but as I'm sure you all know by now, Duino demands a lot of attention, and I can't really spare too much. So yes, I would be willing to sell the rights of usage for Rainer if the price was right and the buyer was just. It would still probably take a decent amount of money and someone who would take good care of him, but I wouldn't be nearly as resolute.

 So, to but it briefly: If I create a character that is a concept or doesn't have a lot of emotional attachment to me and someone wants to purchase the right to use them, then sure, I might just take them up on that deal. But if they want to buy Duino, a character who I have invested countless hours into and was developing over a lifetime, even before I had any concept of his existence because of how he's simply a representation of myself, then you're going to have a tough sell. And no, I'm not just saying that because if I agree to giving him away he'd haunt my dreams and attempt to blow me up with TNT every night. I love the guy, and I don't think I could stand seeing him go.
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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2010, 04:37:13 pm »
Two words: Fuck no.

It's laughable a thing to say, but it's my mental representation - it's "me" in what I like to call my ideal form. Sharing pretty much 90% of my likes, my feelings, my curiosities, nearly every part is the same and everything that isn't is idealised still - something I'd greatly love to conjure up as part of me. Hard to explain, but here's a little thing.

TL;DR: Fursona = Pretty much my mental image of an idealised physical self. Mental... things being exactly the same as me.


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Re: Could you part with your Fursona?
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2010, 04:48:26 pm »
Selling your fursona?  Want my honest opinion?

That is dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.  Asking to buy someones fursona means you have no imagination.   Its not that hard to make a Fursona.